Thursday, December 25, 2008

Buffed up?

A nice idea, but I doubt it will fly with the Air Force (via Spotlight on Military News and International Affairs):
Viking Proposes Resurrection Of DHC-5 Buffalo

Earlier this year Viking Air, of Victoria, B.C. Canada resumed production of the de Havilland Twin Otter [more here] and now it has its sights set on an even more ambitious project. The company, which owns the type certificate to seven de Havilland models, is proposing to start building the DHC-5 Buffalo, a large twin-engine utility aircraft with ultra short takeoff and landing capability and a rear cargo door that accommodated bulky cargo. The aircraft has been the backbone of the Canadian Forces' fixed wing search and rescue fleet for decades [only at CFB Comox, B.C., for the last 11 years] but the military is now looking for replacements for the 40-year-old aircraft. Viking President Dave Curtis says the most affordable answer is an updated Buff. "The requirement to replace the present fleet is not based on a lack of ability for the Buffalo to do the job, but simply due to the aging of the aircraft," Curtis said.



Curtis said other countries have expressed interest in a modernized Buffalo, which would include more efficient, more powerful Pratt and Whitney Canada PW150 engines, glass cockpit with enhanced vision and NVG capability. There are at least two Buffaloes in commercial service in Canada's north and Viking says there is a potential market for civilian versions of the aircraft. Viking is proposing to phase in the new Buffaloes by upgrading existing aircraft first. New aircraft would be built at Viking's facilities in Victoria and Calgary.
As I wrote in May when Viking Air first floated the idea:
I can't see the Air Force going for this. They want one plane for fixed-wing SAR across the country (instead of now the six Buffalos in B.C. and our remaining C-130Es in the rest of the country--I'm pretty sure nineteen are not still flying). I think they also want a plane that can double effectively as a tactical transport within Canada [and maybe the hemisphere] to supplement our C-130Js when the C-130Hs are retired. And I don't think the Buffalo, old or new-build, fits that role.
It looks like the Air Force wants the C-27J, a much larger aircraft, to fit that role--see the end of this post.

Here's a letter from Viking Air with more details of their proposal.

Update: A relevant comment by Zoomie at Milnet.ca:
As it stands - unless Viking dramatically changes the design of the original DHC-5 Buffalo - nothing they make will be sufficient.

a) too slow;

b) not pressurized;

c) insufficient range; and

d) design is outdated.

The Buff was designed to be an intra-theatre tactical lift aircraft. If Viking wishes to pitch that role to the CF, I am all for it. It does not meet the needs of our frugal Airforce and its FWSAR replacement program.

Sorry Viking, too little too late.
Upperdate: An interesting editorial in the Victoria Times Colonist (via David Pugliese):
Consider options for rescue plane

Defence Minister Peter MacKay and the federal government should welcome a proposal from Victoria-based Viking Air to replace the air force's aging CC-115 Buffalo search-and-rescue planes.

It's not that Viking Air is asking for special consideration because it is a Canadian company. The firm's president, Dave Curtis, says Viking has a solution that would be cheaper by about $1.5 billion than what it would cost to buy and service a fleet of Italian-designed Alenia C-271Js.

While Viking's proposal to modernize the Buffalos would also create 350 jobs, its primary appeal is that the company is willing to compete with the world for this work. In that way, it differs dramatically from the arguments supporting construction of B.C.'s new ferries in Canada as opposed to in Germany, where they were eventually built. B.C.'s shipbuilding industry simply couldn't match the Germans on price and value.

If the military is going to consider Viking's proposal, then it might also have to take another look at Bombardier's proposal to replace the Buffalos with the Q200, which had already been rejected for lack of a rear ramp. As much as any Canadian company, Bombardier has survived and thrived on the fat of federal government pork.

Unfortunately, one perverse good reason for buying outside the country is that it would avoid the regional battles over these kinds of contracts. Witness the challenge from Irving Shipbuilding in Halifax last year after B.C. shipyards were awarded $1.5 billion in contracts to maintain Canada's four submarines.

Of course, Viking will have to prove it can produce planes that meet air force specifications for search and rescue. One of the more attractive features of the C-271J is its cruising speed of 600 kilometres an hour, nearly twice that of the Buffalo. That means the C-271J can zip from airbases in southern Canada to the Arctic much more quickly. On the other hand, the Buffalo is far superior at short takeoffs and landings, which is also valuable in Arctic and other extreme conditions.

Another asset of the Alenia C-271J is its pressurized cabin, although an unpressurized cabin also has advantages. Such a plane has a lighter airframe and the doors can be removed to facilitate cargo drops, according to a posting on the website of the Canadian American Strategic Review [not sure which one of these is referred to].

The review argues that the military's fixed-wing search-and-rescue project has become an air force catch-all, encompassing "tactical transport, spares delivery and Arctic utility" on top of SAR. The review also notes that most of Canada's allies are privatizing that function.

More significantly, the review says the Alenia C-271J can't match the Buffalo's performance as a search-and-rescue plane.

That raises the question of whether or not the federal government should re-evaluate what it wants of the Buffalo replacements.

If it wants a versatile, high-speed aircraft, then the Alenia C-271J makes sense. If the government wants a superior search-and-rescue plane, then Viking might have the best answer.

Viking demonstrated earlier this year that it can modernize a classic flying workhorse, the Twin Otter. The company announced in November that it already had orders for 40 of the $4-million aircraft.

So Viking doesn't need the federal government's help to build a vibrant business. The government, though, might benefit from Viking's help in developing the search-and-rescue aircraft best suited for this country.
Just remember that for most of the country a regular military transport, the C-130E, has been performing the fixed-wing SAR role for over a decade--while doubling in the transport role. As I wrote in a post mentioned above:
As for that secondary transport capability, take a look at these squadrons:

435 Squadron, Winnipeg
424 Squadron, Trenton
413 Squadron, Greenwood
Uppestdate: From one who flies with Buffs, at Army.ca:
As someone who works in the Buff and loves it, I can say, that the only reason I would prefer a new "tatonka" would be nostalgia. The old "she's good in the mountains" only rings true when we are working down low in them. Any time we are trying to get over them in a hurry, to render aid to anywhere other than Coastal BC, it can be a royal pain to be tethered to an oxygen mask. the buff is box shaped in cross section, and basic geometry states that rectangles aren't stong enough to be pressurized. (maybe its physics, or some other science, but for sure you can't pressurize the buff.) SAR will be different when we get the new plane. I hope it is the C27, for the reasons I have stated way back pages ago when i first started to think we might someday get a new plane. This Viking/ Bombadeer conglomeration is not going to help us find the right plane. it is only going to hurt, and no doubt contribute to muddying and lengthening the procurement process. My planes are worn out. Totally worn out.

8 Comments:

Blogger Dirk Buchholz said...

The way I see it is why not both.The Buffalo definitly has a role to play,i.e SAR.

7:53 p.m., December 25, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Zoomie has nailed it.

Add that even with a glass cockpit, it wouldn't be a 130J/27 same glass cockpit and it wouldn't mean crew certification on multiple platforms.

That's a big win for the AF, just like it is for civvy airlines.

Single line training and crew sched is a winner

10:14 a.m., December 26, 2008  
Blogger fm said...

Australia is retiring our Caribous next year. Apparently the squadron has already begun flying King Airs as an interim replacement. A White Paper due early next year will decide the fate of the follow-on project, but many are saying that there aren't many airfields left that aren't Hercules capable and what's left can be handled on the battlefield by helicopter assets. Sure, that's a trade-off, but maybe it's not worth another aircraft type just to fill that slot.

So anyway, Australia won't be a customer for Viking I wouldn't think.

3:56 a.m., December 27, 2008  
Blogger arctic_front said...

I believe that the DHC-5 is a very viable SAR aircraft that only suffers from the impression that it is a dated design. In the mountains of B.C. it is the best aircraft for the mission short of a helicopter. The criticism that it is too slow is precisely WHY it is the best choice. To search for a downed aircraft in the coastal rain-forests requires low speed and maneuverability.

The fact that it's an all-Canadian solution for the SAR role that doesn't try to lob softballs to Bombardier is an added bonus.

One other small, but possibly important piece of the puzzle is the actual owner of Viking. I happen to know a few things from a very close and reliable source that the owner is VERY well connected politically, and travels in some pretty lofty circles in the Canadian establishment. If past history is to be considered, those points cannot be ignored.

Over-all, the DND and the current government has an opportunity to prove to western Canadians that they are indeed paying attention to their concerns and as with the Quebec aviation industry, it benefits all of us to foster and develop the technology and infrastructure all across Canada, not just Quebec, The east coast and a few small pockets here and there.

6:25 p.m., December 31, 2008  
Blogger RFM said...

Please be aware that the C27j is a reworked G222 (a design as “outdated as the BUF”, remember the reason the C27j exists is because Lockheed Martin had to meet specific industrial benefit commits with the Italian government so they agreed to work with Alenia on modernizing G222) with new engines and avionics. The BUF is a proven airframe. Viking has stated that they will update the engines avionics and systems as was done with the C27j.
Another fallacy is the physical size of the aircraft both Buffalo and the C27j have almost identical dimensions.
The DND now or soon will have
C17’s and C130J’s in their fleet both are pressurized aircraft, excellent for moving men and equipment both long distances and for regional resupply, but DND lacks a true in-theater airlifter. This is the BUF’s forte, it was designed to get in and out of very tight places and was originally used to resupply forward operating bases as it is cheaper to acquire, operate and it is faster and has more range than the C47 Chinook helicopter (that it was designed to supplement) or the C27j.
With the new technology available today the BUF can be modernized and will work in harmony with a modern DND fleet to not only support in-theater lift but as an excellent SAR platform. In the SAR mode no aircraft can get in and out of the areas the BUF can. This aircraft has the ability to go low and slow when required to supplement the modern electronics available today which will dramatically improve the BUF’s capabilities at half the cost to operate and maintain then the
C27j.
Let's support a Canadian design that does meet our needs, builds our aerospace industrial base and can be exported successfully.

1:58 p.m., January 05, 2009  
Blogger Babbling Brooks said...

Interesting comment, RFM. It sounds like you have some experience with the Buffalo - military or as a contractor?

2:03 p.m., January 05, 2009  
Blogger Mark, Ottawa said...

RFM: The C-27J is in fact considerably larger, including load capacity--check the links at the post.

Mark
Ottawa

3:23 p.m., January 05, 2009  
Blogger RFM said...

Mark here is some accurate data for you (imperial);
BUF C27j
Overall length 79 74.6
Overall height 28.9 31.8
Wing span 96 94.2
Cabin length 31.5 37.4
Cabin width 7.33 8
Cabin height 6.5 8.5
Max payload 18k 25k
TO run 1190 1804
LN roll 980 1148
Max cruise kts 315 250

The BUF has very impressive stats for an aircraft half the price and half the direct operating cost. (the above are the numbers reflected with the original DHC-5 and not with new technology engines)

5:36 p.m., January 05, 2009  

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