Monday, March 29, 2010

Afstan: Stephen Harper ain't no Barack Omama/Brits replacing us?/"Hell no" Update

Surprise, surprise:
Capping the most momentous week of his presidency, U.S. President Barack Obama flew secretly to Kabul where he demanded a crackdown on endemic corruption but vowed not to abandon Afghanistan until the war is won because America’s security is at stake.

“The United States of America does not quit once we start on something,” he told 2,500 cheering American troops Sunday. He made no reference to those allies – including Canada and the Netherlands – that will withdraw thousands of troops next year, whether or not the raging Taliban insurgency has been defeated...

...a majority of Americans tell pollsters they oppose the war.

[Globeite Paul Koring is being indelicately economical with the truth--or else not doing his, er, research. The latest:
...A poll released late last week by CNN found a rise in optimism on Afghanistan, with 44% of the public saying things are going well for the U.S., versus 43% who say things are going badly. That's a 23-percentage-point jump since last November.

The poll found that 48% support the war, versus 49% opposed—anemic, but the first time since May that opposition slipped below 50%...
More:
...
Overall, 53 percent of those polled approve of the way Obama is dealing with the situation in Afghanistan; 35 percent disapprove...]
If I thought for a minute that America’s vital interests were not served, were not at stake right here in Afghanistan, I would order all you home right away,” Mr. Obama told throngs of American soldiers shortly before boarding his plane for the long flight home...
Since the government says we're leaving in 2011 I guess no there are no Canadian vital interests in Afstan after all, and no need to continue contributing militarily (not even trainers in Kabul) to collective security--once a foundation of Canadian foreign policy [..."In the interest of collective security, Canada and its international partners share a duty to help ensure that terrorism cannot take root again in Afghanistan..."; guess where you'll find that].

What slays me is that our government seems positively proud that it is committed to a 2011 complete CF bug-out date from Afstan--which is not what the 2008 Commons' resolution calls for.

Meanwhile, one of Canada's greatest and goodest has this to say:
...
The Afghanistan mission, [Robert] Fowler said, is doomed because neither Canadians nor its allies are prepared to pay the price, “in blood or treasure” to essentially colonize that country.

“The bottom line is: We will not prevail in Afghanistan,” Fowler said. “We are simply not prepared to foot the massive price in blood and treasure, which it would take to effectively colonize Afghanistan — the least fortunate country in the world — and replace their culture with ours, for that seems to be what we seek, and with the Taliban share that view.”

Fowler argued that Canadian troops should immediately withdraw from that country. “It is time to leave. Not a moment, not a life, and not a dollar, later.”
Hurl to the max.

And guess who may--sensibly--replace, indeed augment considerably, our military effort at Kandahar:
...Britain's Telegraph newspaper reported Sunday that if the Pentagon has its way, British forces now in Afghanistan's Helmand Province would replace Canadian troops when they leave Kandahar next year. Helmand, which the British now share with the U.S. marines, would then become entirely the responsibility of the marines [the Brits might also replace the Dutch in Uruzgan]...
Update:
Afstan: Hell no, we're gonna go/Meanwhile Kandahar shaping

5 Comments:

Blogger SDH said...

I saw Fowler speak once and my impression was that he is an asshat.

I guess I'll be through with the CPC in 2011 as well.

6:20 p.m., March 29, 2010  
Blogger ArmdRecceBoy said...

Brace yourselves boys: Fowler's rant at the Liberals' Big Think-fest is a distant early sounding of the horn for an African mission.
Any mission will do, as long as it's in Africa, or so say the elf lords in DFAIT, CIDA and elsewhere. Just you watch: we'll be shipping troops out to central African hell-holes inside 5 years. And bringing them back in bags too, although sadly the senior mandarins behind the Africa lobby won't be in any danger of getting their hair mussed. They'll just order the CF to ship out for the Congo and order another round of G&T's ...

8:45 p.m., March 29, 2010  
Blogger Dwayne said...

What seems to be forgotten in the commentary is that Canada was committed, after moving from Kabul to Khandahar, to staying until 2009. Another vote in the HoC was held and Canada committed to extend the mission to 2011. No matter how you spin it the government in power (CPC now, Liberals who started it) are responsible to the HoC. I don't think that the CPC could push a vote through the house on staying in Afghanistan in the same capacity for an indefinite period as it seems that folks here want. The NDP and the Bloqist are dead against us there, and the Liberal party is always testing the wind to see which way to vote, so what would happen? The best that can be hoped is that the mission parameters are redefined and Canada stays in some capacity helping.

http://worldfocus.org/blog/2009/03/03/timeline-canada-in-afghanistans-war-zone/4267/

10:12 p.m., March 29, 2010  
Blogger The Rat said...

I'm not sure how long the Canadian military can keep up this kind of deployment, and it worries me that we may be using the argument of wasted lives and retreat to justify keeping soldiers in Afstan when we may not be able to support that level of commitment.

I am absolutely against any notion that we pull out and give up, that the mission wasn't worthwhile, or that we have paid too high a price already. I'm just not sure that staying for the sake of staying is the best thing for our soldiers. Maybe a break, time to re-equip and some rest would be good.

Of course, I also wonder if we are too worried about "operational tempo" and have forgotten that in WWII Canadian soldiers fought without any real break for years (Italian campaign and then Normandy - Holland-Germany) and acquitted themselves well. It will take a better military mind than mine to say if we are too worried about that, but I just suggest that regroup after a lot of hard years isn't necessarily a bad thing, giving in to the the pacifist left, nor dishonouring our fallen.

If we have done a job worth doing until we can't anymore, what else can we ask?

Oh, and Fowler is an A-hole of astronomical proportion. Africa is not in Canada's vital interest either. In fact, I think the whole continent can rot if they really think that tribalism, Mugabe-like dictators and Rwandan genocides are the best way to go.

11:16 p.m., March 29, 2010  
Blogger Thermblog said...

“The United States of America does not quit once we start on something,”

Czech Republic, Poland, Colombia, Honduras and Israel all recently shafted by the current US administration.

Sanctions on Iran: how many times has the deadline shifted?

I don't trust these guys and I suspect Afghanistan is a diversion. I'm no longer certain about the justification of Canada's role if the main player is just using us.

10:49 a.m., March 30, 2010  

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