Wednesday, January 13, 2010

Maybe some former Liberal ministers should be worrying about their asses

Senior Liberal: CF "may have been committing war crimes"
Now, if war crimes were committed, Mr McCallum seems rather unconcerned about the possible consequences for some of his erstwhile Liberal cabinet colleagues. Any such crimes were the result of following the government's policy--in 2006 that set in place by the Liberals through the December 2005 detainee transfer agreement with the Afghan authorities. The Liberals themselves had been well warned about the possibility of detainee abuse before the agreement was signed.

Those who legally would have prime responsibility for war crimes would the members of the government (first the Liberals, then the Conservatives), the senior bureaucrats and the senior CF officers responsible for putting, and then keeping, that policy in place.

The guilt, if any, of field soldiers in theatre would be secondary to that of those who ordered them to follow the policy that resulted in crimes. "Befehl ist Befehl" is no defence but the legal responsibility is lesser.

Think Nuremberg. "Nacht und Nebel" might be a loose analogy, see here and here (Keitel). If any trials were ever to be held (which is absolutely improbable) they would need to start at the top. Which the Liberals should be thinking about, if they actually think anymore. Our media certainly do not seem to.

Update: Much more on what Liberal ministers were doing before their government agreed to the detainee transfer agreement here from Adrian MacNair, some excellent research.

Upperdate thought: Whatever happened to those Afghans JTF 2 turned over to the, gasp, Americans in 2002 when Art Eggleton was MND?

Eggleton says the U.S. wants to bring terrorists to justice and Canada supports that.

Eggleton says he's confident any prisoner held by the U.S. will receive a fair trial.

Call the commission of enquiry, say I.

Uppestdate: Andrew Coyne on Mr Eggleton, early in 2002, time for our major media to do that research thing:
It is inexcusable for Art Eggleton to have misled the House of Commons, whether he meant to or not. It is hard to think why he would lie, or why, if he had lied, he would change his story the very next day. Yet it requires a quite amazing capacity for error to be mistaken on such a simple matter as when he was told that Canadian forces had taken prisoners in Afghanistan. As I say, dishonesty or incompetence, it is inexcusable either way.

But let's remember why this was an issue in the first place. Mr. Eggleton's startling revelation, that members of the Joint Task Force 2 commando unit had captured several enemy fighters nearly two weeks ago, was only newsworthy because it contradicted the Prime Minister, who had been saying publicly that no prisoners had as yet been taken...

What a gormless state our political discussions have reached. Via:


Usual Suspect Says:


Blogger Oxford County Liberals said...

Your ominous rumblings and Terry Glavin's et nauseam are all fine and dandy Mark, but the fact is; Ignatieff is on record in the H of C as saying he has no problem with a judicial inquiry stretching back to 2002 to look at the entire timeline of detainees transfers.

Yet, the Cons refuse to call one; that should tell you who has the most to fear over an inquiry.

4:24 p.m., January 13, 2010  
Blogger Patrick Meehan said...

Also, the headline is a little insensitive to the fact that there is a former Liberal minister currently missing in Haiti.

5:11 p.m., January 13, 2010  
Blogger Dave In Guelph said...

Yeah, insensitivity is a crime in the Liberal Book of Smears. Spare me the faux outrage hypocrite. I guess your fine with calling our troops perpetrators of War Crimes against an enemy who would sodomize then chop your childs head off in front of you. That gets a pass, right? Tool.

5:24 p.m., January 13, 2010  
Blogger ChrisInKW said...

Bring on the inquiry, says Ignatieff

5:30 p.m., January 13, 2010  
Blogger Neo Conservative said...

"scott says... Ignatieff is on record"

of course, scott... you're overlooking the fact that, unlike iggy... some of the other liberal bigwigs were actually living & working in canada throughout the entire afghan affair.

is iggy even in-country this month?

i thought he was at his chateau in france collecting the yearly tithe off the serfs.

and, hey patrick... i just wish i could be as sensitive as "rumpelstiltskin" mccallum.

you guys crack me up.


5:30 p.m., January 13, 2010  
Blogger Patrick Meehan said...

Wow, that was pretty ridiculous.

Also, Dave in Guelph, your pretty much the dumbest human being I've ever encountered on the internet. That's pretty impressive.

I think generally, when people are missing and possibly dead, people should hold some due amount of care and attention to word choice.

Also, I'm not now, nor have I ever been a Liberal party supporter. I actually voted for Peter Mackay to be leader of the PC party back when I had a membership.

5:36 p.m., January 13, 2010  
Blogger Babbling Brooks said...

I'm going to say this once, to everyone: keep it civil in the comments or I'll shut the thread down. This is my house, and you'll act like a guest or I'll show you the door.

5:49 p.m., January 13, 2010  
Blogger KevinB said...


Did you ever consider that maybe, just maybe, Harper is more concerned about wasting taxpayer money than he is in calling an inquiry that will actually paint the Liberals in a worse light than the Tories? I'm sure he reads the polls, and realizes that no one outside of the Liberal party and the CBC cares one whit about what one group of uncivilized xenophobes do to another group of the same. I certainly don't.

6:21 p.m., January 13, 2010  
Blogger ChrisInKW said...

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6:31 p.m., January 13, 2010  
Blogger ChrisInKW said...

Yes, it's deeply obvious Mr. Harper is more concerned about his image. Quite obvious he doesn't care about the millions of dollars wasted by proroguing in order to avoid the parliamentary committee. He doesn't care about the Will of Parliament, domestic or international law being respected. I certainly do.

6:33 p.m., January 13, 2010  
Blogger Blame Crash said...

So the liberal supremacist’s and their Toronto Journalinista’s confederates are scheming and conniving to frame some innocent Canadian soldiers with a war crime. All because they’re under the mistaken belief that this will gain them an inch of traction with the people of Canada.

This is just another example of “straight up class hatred”. They will destroy any and all of us to quench their lust for power.

6:54 p.m., January 13, 2010  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't anyone who gives a rat's ass about the detainees. I do know a lot of people who are in support of our troops. War is hell and shit happens. To try to make it a civil pursuit is sort of stupidity you would expect from Leftist phony bleeding hearts.

This is just a pack of losers trying to get a few political points any way they can.

Give it a rest. We don't care!

7:46 p.m., January 13, 2010  
Blogger CanadianSense said...

Great post, thank you for some insight on the detainee policy.

It will be interesting with the latest bump if the Liberals will again withdraw their support from the Throne Speech.

8:26 p.m., January 13, 2010  
Blogger Dave In Guelph said...

The point is Patrick this isn't high tea chap!

And just out of curiosity who elected you "The Official Net Nanny" of The Torch?

And why are you so concerned about some Liberal MP that may be missing?

Where's your concern for thousands of men, woman & children who have lost there lives? I guess they don't count cause their mostly poor, illiterate and black.

Pretty selective in your concern aren't we?

11:21 p.m., January 13, 2010  
Blogger Patrick Meehan said...

Nobody elected me anything, I just felt like if people are going to get mad at others not caring about Canadian citizens overseas, we should also have some decorum about others in danger. Even if they were just there on business.

I'm concerned about any Canadians in danger, though particularly those in danger on missions for Canada. That's what I consider to be a patriotic trait.

I care a lot about those overseas in Afghanistan, I've got a few dozen friends over there right now actually, chimo's, red devils, reservists, you name it.

And I support what we're doing in Afghanistan, because I want my country to be a country that helps others, like we are doing.

I also think that telling people that say something you disagree with means they automatically are taliban loving terrorists is pretty off base and ridiculous, and makes you just as bad as John McCallum. Which in my books is pretty bad.

11:31 p.m., January 13, 2010  
Blogger Dave In Guelph said...

Hey Patrick there having a good laugh at your comment(s) over at SDA.

11:58 p.m., January 13, 2010  
Blogger Patrick Meehan said...

'they're' having fun.

And yes, it's entertaining to read sda.

3:38 a.m., January 14, 2010  

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