Why would we abandon them?
Those who oppose Canada's mission in Afghanistan need to take a long, hard look at their own morality, as I see it. Because not only the Afghan government, but the Afghan people want us to stay and see our work through.
Read the poll results at Environics.
It's almost uniformly positive:
Not all the news is positive, however:
I think the most positive thing to take away from this poll is the fact that there seems to be a modest improvement in Afghan attitudes about their own progress since last year (the whole 2006 survey is fascinating, far broader in its scope than the current Environics poll, and with almost six times the sample size).
Of course, the line of the day has to go to Spink About It:
Not a statistically sound correlation, but a fun jab nonetheless!
Update: I can't believe I didn't mention it in the original post, but in what sort of bizarro world are Afghans more positive about our mission in their country than Canadians are?
This is topsy-turvy stuff, folks. As so many of my friends would say: get yourselves sorted out!
How-can-you-breathe-up-there?-date: Our opposition parties have decided to bury their heads deep, deepin their own ass in the sand.
Read the poll results at Environics.
It's almost uniformly positive:
- Almost three quarters of Afghans believe women are better off today than they were in 2002 after the Taliban fell.
- 60% believe they're personally better off than in 2002.
- Over 70% are positive about Hamid Karzai's government.
- Over 80% express confidence in the ANA, but surprisingly to me, only slightly fewer express confidence in the ANP, an organization we're frequently told is both corrupt and incompetent. So much for the prevailing views of Canadians.
- Of those familiar with the Community Development Councils (see my post here that stresses the importance of the National Solidarity Program), about 70% feel they're doing good work.
- 60% feel the presence of foreign troops is worthwhile at this point, and about the same percentage think those troops are doing a good job of fighting the Taliban. Even more (75%) think the troops are doing a good job of training Afghan security forces.
- 60% in Kandahar have a positive opinion of Canadian troops.
- By a four-to-one margin, Kandahar residents say Canada is doing a better job (48%) rather than a worse job (12%) than other countries helping in Afghanistan.
- Around 70% of Afghans (with very little drop-off in Kandahar) have a negative view of the Taliban, and a similar percentage deplore their tactics of kidnappings and suicide bombings.
- Six in ten think the international effort has made progress fighting the Taliban since 2003, with numbers rising closer to seven in ten when discussing reconstruction or training Afghan security forces.
- Only one in seven Afghans think foreign troops should leave the country right away.
- In contrast to the 64% who feel that Pakistan is an unhealthy influence in the country, and 34% who feel the same way about Iran, only two to three percent of Afghans feel Canada is doing a bad job in their country. That's less than the survey's margin of error, incidentally.
Not all the news is positive, however:
- Approximately three quarters of those polled believe the Karzai government should negotiate with the Taliban. The idea of negotiation with moderate elements isn't abhorrent in and of itself, but the results are curious, given the fact that only 29% of Afghans nationwide (and 14% in Kandahar, where they'd know better than the northern regions) believe the Taliban is a "united political force." I'd suggest that the way forward is outreach to moderate sub-groups and individuals, and coercion of those who want to fight. Given the low popularity of the Taliban, this course is likely a winner for the Karzai government and ISAF.
- Only 51% of Afghans feel the country is moving in the right direction, although this number is almost double the number of those who feel it's moving in the wrong direction (28%) - the rest are on the fence. In Kandahar, the optimists and pessimists are almost in a dead heat. There's good news here, though: last year, the number who felt the country was moving in the right direction was only 44% according to this 2006 poll of Afghan public opinion by the Asia Foundation (pdf). "Slow and steady wins the race"...or so I hope.
- Only 40% of Afghans expect the Karzai government to prevail over the Taliban should foreign troops depart, although those who feel the Taliban will win numbers only 19%. Significantly, 40% remain on the fence on this issue. We need to get this undecided contingent to see that the Afghan government is the strong horse in this field.
- Only 43% of Afghans feel international forces should stay in Afghanistan as long as it takes to defeat the Taliban and return order, and the number drops to 31% in Kandahar. From those numbers, contrasted with the positive opinion of foreign troops and their effect cited in the previous section, I'd conclude that these are a proud people who are grateful for our help, but look forward to the day when they can handle their problems on their own. I can't blame them.
- Only half of Afghans are even aware Canadians are working to help their country, behind the U.S., Britain, and Germany. Astonishingly, when it comes specifically to fighting the Taliban, only 2% were aware of our efforts - although the numbers climb to about one in four when asked to name countries involved in reconstruction and training of Afghan security forces. While recognition isn't what we're there for, this news is certainly disappointing, since it doesn't bode well for future relations - ask yourself if Canadians will be welcomed in Afghanistan in sixty years the way that Canadians are in Holland today, sixty years after we were a major part of liberating that country from the Nazis, and you'll see why I believe awareness matters. The fact that Germany ranks so much higher than Canada in Afghan minds puzzled me until I remembered that Germany has 3,000 troops in the country, and that Germany was one of the few western nations to maintain an active interest and presence in Afghanistan between the departure of the Soviets and the overthrow of the Taliban.
I think the most positive thing to take away from this poll is the fact that there seems to be a modest improvement in Afghan attitudes about their own progress since last year (the whole 2006 survey is fascinating, far broader in its scope than the current Environics poll, and with almost six times the sample size).
Of course, the line of the day has to go to Spink About It:
Turns out that number is only 15% who generally view the Canadians as infidels. Hmmm 15%. That's about the same number that supports the NDP, a party that wants to negotiate with the Taliban. Must be a coincidence.
Not a statistically sound correlation, but a fun jab nonetheless!
Update: I can't believe I didn't mention it in the original post, but in what sort of bizarro world are Afghans more positive about our mission in their country than Canadians are?
The latest Environics' FOCUS CANADA survey numbers (from September-October) show that fewer than half (45%) of Canadians support the current mission, only one in three believe it is very (8%) or somewhat (24%) likely to be successful in the end, and a plurality (43%) want to see our troops return home before the mission is scheduled to end in 2009.
This is topsy-turvy stuff, folks. As so many of my friends would say: get yourselves sorted out!
How-can-you-breathe-up-there?-date: Our opposition parties have decided to bury their heads deep, deep
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Morality ?
If you are of the "Peace at any Price" ilk lead by Jack Layton et al then the suffering and deaths of tens of thousands of Afghani women and children matters not a whit.
Peace is what is important, not morality.
Sleep well at night knowing you hold the moral high ground.
Despise those who are willing to stand in the line and protect those who need protecting, even at the cost of their own lives.
Go Jack go.
CBC video of reaction, starting with troops at Kanadahar, is here.
Mark
Ottawa
So far about the only non-Canadian media to notice the poll are Allahpundit and PakTribune.com. Pity.
Mark
Ottawa
Oh, it's reaching a few thousand more Americans than you might think, Mark: Argghhh!!!
Line of the day? I am truly honoured especially after the NDP's Dawn Black saying she found the poll numbers "shocking and surprising". I'll bet. Kind of blows the NDP's Afghanis don't want our help theory. I give Ms. Black the line of the day.
More foreign notice--still pretty thin:
ABC Online (Australia, AFP story)
Anorak (UK blog)
Mark
Ottawa
Two more foreign stories, Dutch (Reuters) and French (AFP again)
Mark
Ottawa
Sorry, I know this is ages after the fact, but I just wanted to respond to your comments about the CBC/Environics poll, which has raised concern among people who have worked in Afghanistan. I was on a trip to Afghanistan when it was released, hence this timelag.
If you're still interested, here are some points that I think bear some discussion on the poll's methodology:
Concerns with Validity -
Methodology involves entering people's homes and ask people's opinions on the military, especially the Afghan National Army/Afghan National Police. While the ANA/ANP are not quite like the militia in Iraq yet, they (esp the ANP) are very corrupt and often seen as dangerous to civilians.
Poll was conducted from September 17-24th, right at the beginning of the Holy month of Ramadan, which for many Muslims represents a period of charity and goodwill, and when the good that is done by fasting can be considered void is one speaks ill of others behind
their backs.
Afghans' oral culture and hospitable nature makes the linearity, aggressively
direct, and confinement of responses into five categories of intensity (highly agree, somewhat agree, etc) bewildering. My own direct attempts at conducting quantitative research in Afghanistan are written up here (Kish grid, audience research survey):
http://cms.mit.edu/research/theses/SarahKamal2005.pdf, pages 42-3, 81-3. The problems I've listed in my Master's thesis barely skim the surface of the research challenges I've continued to have while conducting my PhD.
I have spent 7 years working in and around Afghanistan as an academic, development practitioner, and "undercover Afghan." As a Dari-speaking Afghan-looking woman, I have tended to find that after you scratch the surface of Afghan discourse, something else comes out that could never adequately be captured in as blunt and culturally unfamiliar a tool as a western poll. I usually find that people from other cultures tend not to appreciate the underlying resentment or suspicion felt by many Muslims towards the powerful West, and how quickly it can bubble up over a quiet discussion over a cup of tea.
Finding a good facilitator for polling is hard in Afghanistan. ACSOR has done polls for organizations like the Asia Foundation (said to have been founded with CIA funding) and the US state department, and their polls tend to have eyebrow raising results which run counter to other research but are advantageous for suggesting the military operations are running well. The Environics poll is not the first strange public opinion poll coming out of Afghanistan by ACSOR.
Sometimes the timing of the release of such polls is telling. I did a survey of publicly available public opinion in Afghanistan in Dec 2005, it is available here: http://c4o.unitycode.org/me/PeaceConditionalities.final.20060413.pdf . The studies that I looked at are listed in the appendix. Shortly after I finished this study (which found sharp pessimism and a downturn in public opinion), a new quantitative survey was released that claimed that Afghans were very pleased with the reconstruction process and international presence, released right before a major donor conference. This was in the same year that friends of mine were chased out of a UN compound in Jalalabad by angry mobs, who set fire to the compound. Also the same year as the Koran riots and Afghan Minister of Planning Bashardoost winning major public support in demanding that NGOs leave the country.
Methodology doesn't state how questions were piloted. Were there ways of triangulating responses? For instance, if people are so positive about the future, why is it that in the Environics poll only 40% think the government and foreigners will prevail in the current conflict? (20% believe the Taliban will win, 40% don't know). 20% believe Al Qaida is a positive force in the country - how does that mesh with other responses?
Concerns with generalizability -
Poor to non-existent communications and road infrastructure in rural areas, inadequate mapping, lack of security, illiteracy, widely divergent population estimates and shifting displaced populations hamper statistical generalizability of their poll of about 1,500 Afghans.
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I have been in Afghanistan many times in the last 6 years, and in my three visits this year I found the security situation to be the worst I have ever seen. I first entered Afghanistan during the time of the Taliban, and even then did not feel as threatened as I did in my most recent journey in October 2007. There is no sense of safety anywhere, and even longtime Afghan friends of mine now feel uncomfortable entering downtown Kabul. Such fears could only have worsened with the Nov 6th suicide bomb killing children and MPs in Baghlan, formerly considered a "safe" area.
I have been wrong more times than I can count when it comes to Afghanistan, which I find a fascinating and unendingly complicated space. I don't object to surprising research findings, but I do object to bad science that run counter to common sense. The Environics poll runs counter to what I and other longtime development workers have found to be the mood in the country (including a practitioner who has lived for 6 years in Kandahar). The poll is also dangerous, in my opinion, because the word for expressing the public's mood that is more and more being bandied about in expert circles, and among Afghans, is "occupation." I was a panelist at the Middle East Studies Association annual conference this weekend, and everybody there agreed with that framing. So I believe it is particularly important to not allow a poll (which, as we understand, even in the best of situations is just a poll and not reflective of anything other than what people choose to say to a pollster) to be taken as more than it is.
Sorry for the long post. Best regards,
Sarah Kamal
2007 Trudeau Scholar
PhD Candidate, London School of Economics
Thanks for weighing in, Sarah. We've taken the liberty of reposting your comment so more people will see it here.
I'd suggest it would be most useful to continue the conversation there, so more of our readers have an opportunity to participate.
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