You want a 'conversation'? You got my half of it...
The Globe and Mail's Paul Koring - aka Amir Attaran's press marionette - will supposedly be responding to questions live online at noon today. I decided to submit some:
You get cut off at 2000 characters, so that's all I was able to wedge into my submission. I'll be quite interested to see what, if anything, makes it through the Globe's editorial filter.
Watch and shoot.
Update: Here's what made it through the censor:
That last sentence was just in case any readers hadn't connected Guantanamo with the CF yet. In fact, I'm surprised Koring didn't simply say "Good questions, Mr. Brooks. In reply, I'd point out GUANTANAMO, and furthermore ABU GHRAIB SOMALIA AIRBORNE DOGS GENITALS CIGARETTE BURNS HUMILIATION. I hope that answers your questions."
Noooooo, Koring's own point of view has no bearing on how this story is being reported at all. None whatsoever. I'm sure Dan Rather, Mary Mapes and Eason Jordan didn't think their personal biases were the issue either.
Numpty.
Let's look at what Koring and his editors chose not to address:
But here's the money quote from Koring, the one that says all you really need to know:
Here's a shorter, more concise paraphrase of Koring: "I agree with Attaran that the Canadian detainee transfer policy is wrong, and so I'm going to use these allegations by Attaran of abuse to push our agenda into the limelight."
Up-yours-date: Here's what one of Koring's editors had to say about one of my questions:
Surprisingly enough, I tend to agree with Mr. Northfield on one point in particular: there most definitely is "a vested public interest in the conduct of all parties involved in the story." Emphasis on the word "all." That is to say, the public interest includes the conduct of Professor Attaran. And so, while the Globe & Mail awaits a reply from the military on whether suspicion of the activist's agenda is an institutional mindset, I await a reply from the Globe & Mail as to why they don't feel the content and tone of Mr. Attaran's voice-mail to the CF Provost Marshall is equally newsworthy.
Mr. Koring, why does the "working hypothesis" (Prof. Attaran's words, not mine) of an activist vehemently opposed to Canada's detainee policies merit front-page coverage in Canada's National Newspaper for three days running now? If the allegations of abuse by CF members prove false, will your paper continue to milk the story by switching to the detainee transfer agreement between Canada and the Afghan government, the issue Prof. Attaran has been raising for at least a year now with almost no publicity? Why does Professor Attaran's account of a phone spat with a CF Public Affairs officer merit an entire story of its own in the G&M, and is this article not itself an attempt to intimidate the CF and anyone else who would question your motives or those of Prof. Attaran? Why have you and Prof. Attaran not publicly posted the documents obtained under Access to Information for the public to review, instead insisting on interpreting them for us yourselves? Do you not feel it important to advise the public of your own opinion of Canadian detainee policy so that we can understand the perspective from which you are presenting this information? Do you know why Prof. Attaran, as a lawyer who first made the official complaint that sparked the DND investigations would be calling the Provost Marshal (the CF's own "police chief") late at night in the first place? Do you feel that call by a complainant lawyer involved in any other internal investigation would be appropriate? Given that Prof. Attaran has stated publicly both that "It is inexcusable that they [the CF] have not investigated" and "In light of what happened a decade ago in Somalia, I very much doubt that [the military] should investigate internally," do you not worry that he won't be satisfied by any answer from DND? And if so, why do you feel his intransigent and extreme point of view deserves national attention and a combative and confrontational journalistic approach from you?
You get cut off at 2000 characters, so that's all I was able to wedge into my submission. I'll be quite interested to see what, if anything, makes it through the Globe's editorial filter.
Watch and shoot.
Update: Here's what made it through the censor:
Damian Brooks from Canada writes: Mr. Koring, why does the "working hypothesis" (Prof. Attaran's words, not mine) of an activist vehemently opposed to Canada's detainee policies merit front-page coverage in Canada's national newspaper for three days running now? Why does Professor Attaran's account of a phone spat with a CF Public Affairs officer merit an entire story of its own in the G&M, and is this article not itself an attempt to intimidate the CF and anyone else who would question your motives or those of Prof. Attaran? Why have you and Prof. Attaran not publicly posted the documents obtained under Access to Information for the public to review, instead insisting on interpreting them for us yourselves? Do you not feel it important to advise the public of your own opinion of Canadian detainee policy so that we can understand the perspective from which you are presenting this information?
Paul Koring: Mr. Brooks, I think your questions about story placement are perfectly valid. But I can't answer them. Senior editors make those calls. Sometimes I agree, sometimes I don't. But I will try and get you an answer from one of them before this session is over.
As for your suggestion that the documents be posted. I think it is a good one and I raise it with The Globe's senior management. I do know that all documents released under Access to Information are publicly available but a reading room in Ottawa is hardly accessible.
Lastly, I do have personal opinions about Canada's detainee policy, just I have views about most things that I am assigned to write about. I try and keep them out of my coverage and I will respectfully decline to say too much about them as I don't think they are the issue. At least they shouldn't be. What I will say is that I believe that the treatment and transfer and tracking of detainees — including whether they are ever charged with a crime or released — should be made public on an ongoing basis. That applies to captives in Guantanamo as well as prisons in Afghanistan or anywhere else.
That last sentence was just in case any readers hadn't connected Guantanamo with the CF yet. In fact, I'm surprised Koring didn't simply say "Good questions, Mr. Brooks. In reply, I'd point out GUANTANAMO, and furthermore ABU GHRAIB SOMALIA AIRBORNE DOGS GENITALS CIGARETTE BURNS HUMILIATION. I hope that answers your questions."
Noooooo, Koring's own point of view has no bearing on how this story is being reported at all. None whatsoever. I'm sure Dan Rather, Mary Mapes and Eason Jordan didn't think their personal biases were the issue either.
Numpty.
Let's look at what Koring and his editors chose not to address:
- No mention was allowed of their 'bait and switch' between the unproven abuse allegations and the detainee transfer agreement that is the real bee under at least Prof. Attaran's bonnet. Conflating the two issues is slight-of-hand journalistic misdirection at its most pernicious.
- No response to my suggestion that one of Koring's stories yesterday, and another about public reaction to Attaran's witch-hunt today, are both an attempt to stifle any questioning of the motives of the CF's accusers by making the activist lawyer out to be a victim. Given his brazen manipulation of the media here, that characterization of Attaran makes me nauseous.
- No answer as to why Attaran called the Provost Marshal late Tuesday night, or what was said that would make Cdr LaViolette call back with a witness present - in fact, they wouldn't even post the question. It raises inconvenient questions about the narrative Koring and Attaran are pushing, I guess.
- No mention allowed of Attaran's 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' public comments about the CF's investigations. Again, it seems that the fact that Professor Attaran has admitted he won't be satisfied by any course of action the CF takes isn't relevant to the point of view Koring has decided to push.
But here's the money quote from Koring, the one that says all you really need to know:
But doubts will exist as long as the Canadian policy (and this isn't the responsibility of ordinary soldiers in the field) is so murky. Scores, maybe hundreds, of people captured by the Canadian Forces in Afghanistan and the Persian Gulf since 2001 have disappeared. They have been handed over to either the United States or the Afghans and there is no accounting for what has happened to any of them. Not even the Canadian government or the highest-ranking general knows whether they have been released, charged, tortured, killed, or are just languishing in some prison.
Here's a shorter, more concise paraphrase of Koring: "I agree with Attaran that the Canadian detainee transfer policy is wrong, and so I'm going to use these allegations by Attaran of abuse to push our agenda into the limelight."
Up-yours-date: Here's what one of Koring's editors had to say about one of my questions:
Stephen Northfield, Foreign Editor: While the telephone spat itself may appear to be inconsequential on the surface, there's a vested public interest in the conduct of all parties involved in the story. I think it is significant if the view of the military is that Mr. Attaran is acting unprofessionally and believes he may have an unstated agenda. It speaks, possibly, to an instutional view ahead of what is supposed to be an impartial exploration of the facts. It's a fair question if in fact the comments made during the call do represent the view of the military -- which is why we asked the question of them on that, and subsequent days. We are still awaiting a reply.
Surprisingly enough, I tend to agree with Mr. Northfield on one point in particular: there most definitely is "a vested public interest in the conduct of all parties involved in the story." Emphasis on the word "all." That is to say, the public interest includes the conduct of Professor Attaran. And so, while the Globe & Mail awaits a reply from the military on whether suspicion of the activist's agenda is an institutional mindset, I await a reply from the Globe & Mail as to why they don't feel the content and tone of Mr. Attaran's voice-mail to the CF Provost Marshall is equally newsworthy.
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Since the NATO forces are not running the country.... as long as the Afghan government wants the prisoners they should be handed over without question or delay.
The thing is that people like Koring and Attaran don't get any attention by going after the Afghan government so they slander and smear our military to get the attention they seek.
When it comes to this kind of BS I'd be inclined to put my size 10 where it would do the most good
You know what really pisses me off, besides the obvious besmirching of our soldiers, is that by mixing up the allegations with the policy no one ever gets to discuss the policy without being mixed in with this lot of assholes.
I'm so tired, sick to death of supposed lefties (who are, in point of fact, axe grinding, half baked dogmatic fucks who have glommed onto the left) making it impossible for anyone left of Attila the Hun to discuss anything without having to first distance themselves from the likes of these idiots.
Somehow I doubt we have captured "hundreds" of prisoners. Even mentioning such a figure will put it in a reader's mind; such fear-mongering simply raises the spectre of mass abuse.
As to tracking the fate of the prisoners that is the responsibility of the International Committee of the Red Cross under the agreement the CF signed with the Afghan government in Dec. 2005 under the Liberal/Liberal government. Why don't Messrs Koring and Attaran simply ask the ICRC?
Testimony Dec. 11, 2006, to the Commons Standing Committee on National Defence by Ms. Colleen Swords (Assistant Deputy Minister, International
Security Branch and Political Director, Department of Foreign
Affairs and International Trade):
http://cmte.parl.gc.ca/Content/HOC/Committee/391/NDDN/Evidence/EV2598745/NDDNEV28-E.PDF
"The Canadian arrangement establishes the procedures to be
followed in the event of a detainee transfer and reinforces the
commitment of both participants to meet their obligations under
international law. Specifically, the arrangement includes a commitment
to treat detainees humanely and in accordance with the
standards set out for prisoners of war in the Third Geneva
Convention, which affords detainees with the highest treatment
standard regardless of their status and obviates the need for status
determination; an acknowledgment of the right of the ICRC to visit
detainees at any time during their custody; an obligation for both
parties to notify the ICRC upon transferring a detainee, in
accordance with their obligations pursuant to international law; a
commitment that persons transferred from the Canadian Forces to
Afghan authorities will not be subject to the application of the death
penalty; and lastly, a recognition by both parties of the legitimate
role of the Afghan Independent Human Rights Commission with
regard to the treatment of detainees."
Mark
Ottawa
TinyURL for the testimony:
http://tinyurl.com/3d5wg3
Mark
Ottawa
Koring says: "...I think your questions about story placement are perfectly valid. But I can't answer them. Senior editors make those calls. Sometimes I agree, sometimes I don't. But I will try and get you an answer from one of them before this session is over."
In other words, the Globe's sustained highlighting of the "abuse" stories is the personal agenda of Editor-in-Chief Steady Eddie Greenspon.
http://tinyurl.com/2sqet5
Part of his "Reimagination" of the paper I guess. Crass, I say.
http://tinyurl.com/3cl6o6
It is fascinating to refer to hundreds of prisoners with the ominous sounding allegation that we don't know where they are. Are we supposed to? Do they usually check in and report to somebody? Does this automatically mean they've met some brutal end?
Christopher, someone is supposed to know where they are. If we arrest them I think that someone is either us or the International Red Cross.
If neither group can locate them there is indeed a problem.
Which is the kind of shit I can't discuss without first saying that I've seen no proof of prisoner abuse by CF personal.
We all know when the lofty defensive rhetoric of the Globe's defenders is brushed aside, that the bottom line for the Globe is to sell papers...and being hopelessly addictied to the "if it bleeds it leads" paragon of commercial journalism, they love to sensationalize and exagerate....also being partisan left they like to do it in a way that damages their percieved ideological enemies.
Had Bloggers like yourself not stomped on this one, and left the Globe to it's own devices, there is no doubt in my mind they would try to manipulate this non incident into a Somolia scandal by association and innuendo and run with it as and "exclusive" far as they can...whether vaguely warranted or not.
I'm just watching their copy to see how many times the word "Somalia" appears in their story as the start of an ideological wisper campaign to draw a link to that witch hunt and damage the CF and Afghan effort with disingenuous innuendo. Like I say, had there been no brakes put on this the Globe would be out there like any other UK sensationalist tabloid painting sensationalist anti-war images of rivers of blood and mangled tortured captives and branding this incident ( if there is one) Somalia II.
Frankly, if the CF provo investigation turns up nothing to validate the complaint and we do not see a large front page apology/retraction for the damage done the CF's image, I hope the Globe office gets torched by outraged Somalia vets.
W.L. Mackenzie Redux: Except for the Telegraph the Brit papers are all tabloids now:
http://tinyurl.com/yuwu83
Mark
Ottawa
" I hope the Globe office gets torched by outraged Somalia vets."
Way to play to the stereotypes.
Bravo!
Well, at least it isn't just American soldiers being blamed for abuse,no offense, though in the end everything is blamed on the U.S.
Did Vichy police have any responsibility for the Jews they rounded up and handed over to the Gestapo? Were they supposed to worry about what was going to happen to them once they had been handed over? Could they not just claim ignorance?
The Afghan police and army are not the Gestapo? I know of a container full a dead Taliban that says otherwise.
Stop staring at the tip of the iceberg and look underneath the surface. You might be surprised at what you discover and have to swallow all those words. The CF’s Afghan deployment could be at stake here and you are all downplaying it.
Wow.
Just wow.
You're an idiot who can't read.
I agree. This is shameful. A few bad apples torture a kid to death and pose with the corpse, and suddenly the whole institution gets questioned.
So what if we're handing prisoners over to a regime with no respect for due process or human rights?
So what if our US allies have been caught red-handed torturing people, sometimes to death?
We'd never do that! Oh yeah, ... well, ONCE, ... but, like c'mon!
Lots of CF people have NEVER tortured ANYONE! But the liberal Globe & Mail won't put their stories on the front page!
It's an outrage I tell's yah!
Thwap, if you'd pull your head out of your ass and actually learn something about the history of the CF since the Somalia abuse debacle, you'd realize just how much of an ass your comments make you appear.
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