Canadian Air Force procurement: Euro lobbying/A400M problems?
The most informative reporting is, as usual, non-Canadian. Don't our journalists ever do a Google search?
Update: The foreign press has its limits too. From Rescue Randy at Army.ca:
Two European aerospace groups have launched vigorous lobbying campaigns to thwart alleged plans by the Canadian government to shut them out of three of Ottawa’s biggest military equipment orders in recent years.Here's the kicker:
EADS submitted an unsolicited bid to the department of national defence last week for 16 Airbus A400M military transport planes after reports that the Canadians were about to order four C-17 Globemaster aircraft from Boeing of the US without calling for competitive tenders. The Globemaster order would be worth about C$2.5bn ($2.2bn).
Speculation is also rife that Ottawa will favour another US group, Lockheed-Martin, to replace its ageing fleet of smaller C-130 Hercules transport aircraft.
Meanwhile, AgustaWestland, the helicopter group, is worried that Ottawa is set to give Boeing’s Chinook heavy-lift helicopters a head-start over Agusta’s Cormorant Mark II [Canada flys the Cormorant for search and rescue as the CH-149 - MC].
“We’re slightly concerned that we’re being frozen out of a competitive process that is open, fair and where the playing field would be level”, said Richard Thompson, senior vice-president at EADS’s military division.
Agusta-Westland is currently claiming C$1bn in damages from the Canadian defence department relating to a big helicopter contract awarded to US-based Sikorsky in 2004. The European group contends that the tender requirements were written in such a way to exclude rival bidders...
The European groups also maintain that Canada is depriving itself of valuable industrial benefits by opting out of a competitive bidding process.I hope our government realizes that it's not about jobs and votes; it's about giving our military what they need to do the dangerous work the government orders them to do.
Update: The foreign press has its limits too. From Rescue Randy at Army.ca:
The reality is that the reporter has mixed up the A400M proposal for the airlift competition with the helicopter competition. EADS represents Eurocopter, not Agusta-Westland - that company is a direct competitor to EADS. If Richard Thompson was promoting a helicopter for the Chinook competition, it would have been either the Eurocopter Cougar EC 725 or the NH-90. Once again, you can't believe anything you read, very little of what you hear, and only half of what you see.....Airbus, for its part, is denying that the troubles of the A380 will have any effect of the schedule for the A400M.
Funding for the planned Airbus...A400M military transport plane is completely secure and will not be affected by problems surrounding the company's flagship A380 airliner, a top official said on Thursday [June 15].I'm not so sure there will be no engineering delays. This is from "Weight Watchers" in the June 5 issue [text only for subscribers] of Aviation Week and Space Technology (to which all Canadian journalists covering the military should subscribe, but I doubt that even one does).
Airbus, which says nine countries have placed orders for a total of 192 A400Ms, is trying to sell the plane to Canada. The aircraft is due to receive its full certification in 2009.
Richard Thompson, a senior vice-president at the military wing of Airbus, dismissed the idea that the A400M program could be jeopardized by delivery delays with the A380 superjumbo airliner, which are set to cost Airbus parent EADS billions of euros...
Thompson said there were far fewer variants of the A400M than the A380, which meant the transport craft would not be affected by engineering delays.
"The industrial ramp-up that is planned for the A400M is far more conservative than for the A380 program and therefore we do not foresee any similar type of problems for the A400M program," he said...
Airbus is striving to cut weight on its A400M military transport while increasing the aircraft's maximum takeoff figure by almost six tons to accommodate fuel.One also wonders how the all-new engine's development program is proceeding.
The aim is to drive down structural weight, in what industry executives describe as an "aggressive" effort. "We have a robust weight-reduction program, and it is on target," one Airbus Military executive says. Range and payload are contractually guaranteed, but this is not the case for aircraft weight, he notes...
First flight is also slipping [emphasis added - MC]. Initially anticipated for January 2008, this is now foreseen as taking place slightly later in the first quarter. Overall, the development and production schedule remains tight, with little slack for any further delay if initial deliveries are not to be affected. Delivery of the first aircraft is due to France in 2009, 77 months after the May 31, 2003, contract award.
Maximum takeoff weight for the A400M has risen to 136.5 tons from 130, according to the Airbus executive. This is driven partly by redesign work to meet fuel payload requirements...
The A400M is now projected as being able to carry a 30-ton payload 2,400 naut. mi., down 150 naut. mi. from previous range estimates, says the Airbus executive. For a 20-ton payload this figure is now 3,450 naut. mi., a 100-naut.-mi. reduction. Its ferry range is also reduced by 150 naut. mi. to 4,750 naut. mi...[and Canada needs all the trans-oceanic range we can get - MC].
6 Comments:
Hi Mark --
There's lots of reasons to give us poor slobs in the press a rough ride -- and you tend to do it often. But how about this: Would you mind throwing mud at us only when we deserve it? You said:
"The most informative reporting is, as usual, non-Canadian. Don't our journalists ever do a Google search?"
Embedded in that snide remark was a link to a Financial Times story dated June 19.
Well, I'm a journalist and I just did a Google search on the terms "Airbus Ottawa Boeing" and it turns out that on June 15 -- four days before those whizzes in the foreign press (and on certain blogs about military matters, apparently) picked up on this -- the Canadian media was all over this story.
We can organize some subscriptions for you, if that might help :)
David: I just checked the Google reference:
http://news.google.com/news?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2006-25,GGLG:en&tab=wn&q=airbus+ottawa+boeing&sa=N&start=10
No stories that I can see that mention Augusta-Westland and the Cormorant.
No Canadian story that I have seen mentions the A400M's weight problems.
Do you subscribe to AW&ST? I have always paid for my own. Need to know, you know.
There is this link in this post to a June 16 post that may demonstrate one was on top of the story, under "biggest military equipment":
http://www.damianpenny.com/archived/006778.html
Also posted June 16 at "The Torch".
http://toyoufromfailinghands.blogspot.com/2006/06/military-procurement-heres-really.html
I challenge you to quote a media story that has equivalent analysis, especially in the internal links of this post.
Mark
Ottawa
Fun to watch you guys :) In the HQ we have AW&ST, and a few other journals too. But I like reading the blogs and the MSM online too. I still find the reporting of program cost crappy. It would be nice if someone pointed out that program cost is over the expected life, say 20 years (that would be 40 Canadian years when it comes to actual use as seen in the CH-124/CC-130 and soon to be 25 year old CF-188 fleets.)
I wish I could say I am in the know as to what is happening with the purchase but in the end I will just be happy if we get something new. I was reading CASR's (SFU) website and they seem almost frothing against the C-17 / C-130J combo. I wonder why they are pushing the IL-76 so hard.
Anyway keep up the good work, and David you too. A well informed reported is the best kind, and if you are at least engaged reading and responding here it shows an interest that far exceeds the average!
CASR is an interesting read, but they tend towards awkward and unrealistic solutions to many issues. I think it comes from never being the ones to live with the choices they recommend.
The sad state is that we have yet to have a government that planned longer then a single cycle. That is why our procurement is in such a sad state. When we start talking in terms of decades, long cycles of planning, then we will be able to make good investments in our own industry.
Lets look at airlift. We bought CC-130s back in the 60s. Someone had to know that in the 80s we would need to start planning to retire the aircraft and replace them with something that does the same job. Not one government actually did that until it was necessary. Now we scramble because what we need, we needed years ago. No wonder they are talking sole source contracts, the military can't wait until 2010 for delivery of a fleet of A400s anyway.
As for strategic lift, how many times have we begged rides over the last 30 years? I know it is more times than I can count. It would be nice to have our own lift capability. Better than nice, it is important that we control our own lift capability.
"...buy the planes from a real company that knows how to design, build and support its planes . . . Mr. Boeing, you build gooood planes."
Yes - and when Mr Louisiana Pacific gets his ass out of the courtroom, Mr Boeing is welcome to come and visit. Until then, he can screw off. If he would like to mention his problems to Max Baucus, that would be fine, too.
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