Out of Afghanistan
Prime minister Harper has said the Canadian combat mission in the country will end in 2011--not just the mission at Kandahar. The latter was what the motion passed in the Commons this March said, which left some wiggle room to take on some sort of major role elsewhere in Afghanistan.
Canadians really do not have the stomach for prolonged combat, even with casualties far below those of other wars we have fought. And I do not think Mr Harper's heart has really been in the mission. His reference to the Canadian Forces may well undermine morale.
The Taliban on the other hand will get a big morale boost; this can only encourage them to try to hit us and wobbly ISAF members (most of them) harder.
The Dutch will almost certainly now stick to their 2010 withdrawal date from Uruzgan province north of Kandahar.
While the rapidly improving Afghan National Army should be in pretty good shape by 2011 it will still need a lot combat assistance, though no-one can now say how much. There is simply no way to judge, and even if the ANA still requires a great deal of help that still doesn't mean that the war cannot eventually be settled on terms favourable to the Afghan government. An arbitrary deadline that takes no account of future developments is an easy out.
Dutch and Canadian withdrawal will leave a very big hole in ISAF Regional Command South, a hole that only the US and UK can fill (perhaps with an increased Australian commitment--they're now in Uruzgan with the Dutch, more below--and, much less likely, something from the French). In fact the two withdrawals will clearly demonstrate that the US and the UK are the only sizeable and committed fighting members of pre-expansion NATO. I can't see how NATO ISAF can continue to command large numbers of American and British combat troops in that situation and expect major changes to the structure and command of foreign forces in Afghanistan. The credibility of NATO will be greatly undermined; I wonder how long it will go on in its present form.
Back to the Aussies:
Australians remember the 2002 Islamist Bali bombings and take terrorism seriously. Canadians do not and the government has not convinced them of the significance of Islamist terrorism (it's barely tried). Our media have generally focused on the "death watch" aspect of the mission and ignored what our allies are doing--along with developments in Afghanistan as a whole. End of story.
Unless the Conservatives get a majority, our allies put on an awful lot of pressure, things seem to be going much better at Kandahar and Afghanistan generally...two years are a very long time in politics.
Update: A final thought: from what the prime minister says it would appear that no vital Canadian national interests are involved since we will pull out regardless of whether our goals are achieved or not. Then why are members of the CF fighting and dying for so long?
Upperdate: On the other hand the very political Mr Harper did promise a "Canada First Defence Strategy".
Uppestdate: Hard slog ahead--and the US too is finding it hard to meet the challenge:
Finally, audio of an interview on Afghanistan with Maj.-Gen. (re'td) Lew MacKenzie by Steve Madely, CFRA Ottawa.
Canada will withdraw the bulk of its military forces in Afghanistan as scheduled in 2011, Conservative Leader Stephen Harper pledged on Wednesday, saying the Afghan government "at some point has to be able to be primarily responsible" for the country's security.More:
Speaking to reporters at a breakfast briefing in Toronto, Harper said the Canadian public has no appetite to keep soldiers in the war-torn country any longer than the pullout date agreed on by Parliament.
"You have to put an end date on these things," Harper said.
He added that while Canada's military leaders have not acknowledged it publicly, a decade of war is enough.
"By 2011, we will have been in Kandahar, which is probably the toughest province in the country, for six years," Harper said.
"Not only have we done our bit at that point, I think our goal has to be after six years to see the government of Afghanistan able to carry the lion's share of responsibility for its own security.
"At that point, the mission, as we've known it, we intend to end."..
While there may be a few Canadian soldiers who stay on after 2011 as advisers, the bulk of the troops will be home by then, Harper said.
"I don't want to say we won't have a single troop there, because obviously we would aid in some technical capacities," he said.
The prime minister's assurances come as the death toll for Canadians in Afghanistan since troops deployed there in 2002 approaches 100. One Canadian diplomat has also died in the mission.
Taliban insurgents have stepped up their attacks in Afghanistan in the last month, in what they claim is an attempt to influence Canada's federal election.
A candid Harper said the Canadian public — and even the Canadian military — would not want to continue on the mission past the currently scheduled exit date.Some initial thoughts. A brilliant domestic political move that will make it virtually impossible for M. Dion to call for an earlier withdrawal if there is a sudden spike in fatalities and if the Liberal election situation looks desperate.
“I think we have to say to the government of Afghanistan, we have an expectation that you are going to be responsible for your own security,” he said. “We’re not there to permanently manage your security. We’re there to assist you in building up your capacity to manage the security situation. That’s what we’re working towards.”..
Canadians really do not have the stomach for prolonged combat, even with casualties far below those of other wars we have fought. And I do not think Mr Harper's heart has really been in the mission. His reference to the Canadian Forces may well undermine morale.
The Taliban on the other hand will get a big morale boost; this can only encourage them to try to hit us and wobbly ISAF members (most of them) harder.
The Dutch will almost certainly now stick to their 2010 withdrawal date from Uruzgan province north of Kandahar.
While the rapidly improving Afghan National Army should be in pretty good shape by 2011 it will still need a lot combat assistance, though no-one can now say how much. There is simply no way to judge, and even if the ANA still requires a great deal of help that still doesn't mean that the war cannot eventually be settled on terms favourable to the Afghan government. An arbitrary deadline that takes no account of future developments is an easy out.
Dutch and Canadian withdrawal will leave a very big hole in ISAF Regional Command South, a hole that only the US and UK can fill (perhaps with an increased Australian commitment--they're now in Uruzgan with the Dutch, more below--and, much less likely, something from the French). In fact the two withdrawals will clearly demonstrate that the US and the UK are the only sizeable and committed fighting members of pre-expansion NATO. I can't see how NATO ISAF can continue to command large numbers of American and British combat troops in that situation and expect major changes to the structure and command of foreign forces in Afghanistan. The credibility of NATO will be greatly undermined; I wonder how long it will go on in its present form.
Back to the Aussies:
...Their military effort may soon be stepped up--see the Upperdate here.
The work being carried out by Australian troops in Afghanistan was dangerous, but essential, [Australian foreign minister] Mr Smith said.
"Work in Afghanistan is hard and difficult and dangerous, but it is, in our view, essential work in the interest of the regional and the international community.
"So Australia is in Afghanistan for the long haul."..
Australians remember the 2002 Islamist Bali bombings and take terrorism seriously. Canadians do not and the government has not convinced them of the significance of Islamist terrorism (it's barely tried). Our media have generally focused on the "death watch" aspect of the mission and ignored what our allies are doing--along with developments in Afghanistan as a whole. End of story.
Unless the Conservatives get a majority, our allies put on an awful lot of pressure, things seem to be going much better at Kandahar and Afghanistan generally...two years are a very long time in politics.
Update: A final thought: from what the prime minister says it would appear that no vital Canadian national interests are involved since we will pull out regardless of whether our goals are achieved or not. Then why are members of the CF fighting and dying for so long?
Upperdate: On the other hand the very political Mr Harper did promise a "Canada First Defence Strategy".
Uppestdate: Hard slog ahead--and the US too is finding it hard to meet the challenge:
The nation's top military officer issued a blunt assessment yesterday of the war in Afghanistan and called for an overhaul in U.S. strategy there, warning that thousands more U.S. troops as well as greater U.S. military involvement across the border in Pakistan's tribal areas are needed to battle an intensifying insurgency.As for the president:
"I am not convinced that we're winning it in Afghanistan," Adm. Michael Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told the House Armed Services Committee yesterday. But, he added, "I'm convinced we can."..
"Frankly, we are running out of time," Mullen said, adding that not sending U.S. reinforcements to Afghanistan is "too great a risk to ignore."
He said the new influx of U.S. forces into Afghanistan that Bush announced Tuesday -- an Army brigade and Marine battalion with a total of about 4,500 troops -- does not meet the demands of commanders there [emphasis added: 'A very "quiet surge" indeed' and a rather remarkable public separation from the president], but is "a good start."
...Many NATO countries restrict their troops' combat roles; others have set an end date for their involvement in the war, with Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper saying yesterday that all of his country's troops will withdraw in 2011, according to the Associated Press...
Bush Said to Give Orders Allowing Raids in PakistanAs for the Pakistanis:
Pakistan’s Military Chief Criticizes U.S. Over a RaidAs for the Afghans:
Karzai backs U.S. strategy on militants in PakistanRelations in the 'hood are going to get very strained.
Finally, audio of an interview on Afghanistan with Maj.-Gen. (re'td) Lew MacKenzie by Steve Madely, CFRA Ottawa.
11 Comments:
I think Harper is keeping the best from becoming the enemy of the good. If the Torys lose the election over Afstan, then we will likely pull out early and the CF will be in for another decade of abuse by the Libs/NDP (not much difference these days). I am also not sure that the CF can maintain this pace - longer tours might have helped, but nobody seems to want them. We've still got 2.5 years to do some good - that's not a short period of time. Also, by then the US should be mostly out of Iraq, so there will be more troop availibility there.
I agree with this move. The Afghanis need to get on with it.
I have always held the position that Canada could not fail in Afghanistan - only the Afghanis can fail themselves. Our mission was to buy time and bend over backwards to help them. Mission accomplished, with great professionalism and courage.
Bringing the Army home after ten years of high tempo Ops is a good move and SHOULD allow a focus on domestic issues - we should OWN Arctic operations - under, on and over the entire territory.
The Bear is awake, we have a long border up there and the military can piggy back on the global warming hysteria to drive a doctrinal and equipment renewal for northern operations.
Real subs, P-8's, ice breakers, ice capable surface fleet etc.
ref your upperdate . .
http://tinyurl.com/6lk7vc
it is a start.
I would not be worried about the morale in the military either. While some are gung ho and others are indifferent we all do our jobs, and that is to carry out the orders of the government of the day. No point in fighting it, the military does not dictate this, the politicians do.
It's true that Australia has not indicated any sort of withdrawal date and the bi-partisan sentiment is that "we are in for the long haul", yet I wouldn't get my hopes up about an increased presence in Afghanistan by Australians. At every opportunity that's been presented to them lately, the government has reiterated that the numbers will stay the same barring perhaps some minor technical adjustments (the possibility of more medivac helicopters has been discussed but deferred for the moment). Certainly an extra infantry battalion, while firmly discussed by political commentators, is just as firmly ruled out by the Defence Minister. The powers that be have also been preparing the public for the idea that the US will take over Uruzgan from the Dutch with Australia remaining in support (not taking the lead).
Now, personally, I wish that were not so. I think we do have some slack now that Iraq and Timor are winding down, but the Minister keeps pointing (ad nauseam) to the fact that Australia's contribution is the largest outside of NATO and that plenty within NATO are making far less of a contribution -- and he's got a point. Anyway, that's the CW out here. The public has no inkling of any expanded contribution at this stage, and while sometimes you can see preparations being made in the ORBAT for the possibility of a bigger presence, it's very far from certain.
I hate to see Canada walk away with the job un-finished.... BUT... I can see where this move SHOULD help guilt other NATO countries shit or get off the pot. Sadly... they will not.... and reinforce the idea that they are worthless and unreliable allies.
It's time that Canada and the USA give NATO the finger and write them all off as a waste of time. Let them deal with Putin on their own. Such ungrateful people don't deserve our help. With the exception of the U.K. and a very small portion of the E.U countries, they have been a disgrace. I hope they piss their pants when Russia kicks them in the nuts. They deserve every bit of it. Germany especially is deserving of a special snubbing. Eat THAT, Germany.... we covered your ass for almost 40 years.... thanks for nothing! Glad we could count on you when the chips were down. Assholes!
One consideration that absolutely *has* to be made is the annual costing of the Afghan commitment, with regards to DND.
Conflict is expensive, not just in terms of lives but in terms of materiel used and replaced. Whatever monies are spent towards Canada's involvement in Afghanistan is money *not* spent towards developing and integrating other military capabilities, i.e. new ships and aircraft. That's a major concern when you've got a PM with a high interest in Arctic sovereignty.
I've got mixed feelings. With a son about to deploy, I hate to have his ass risked for a loosing cause.
I have no doubt that were our NATO friends to put in a robust effort, we'd be out in 2011 as victors. But, it'd take a genuine surge on the part of all ... and Canada is surged out at this point. In the meantime, German and French troops pick their noses in grand style.
Furthermore, there will be no end to this conflict until Pakistan is dealt with. This war must be taken to Pakistan's border, at least in terms of constant strikes into the border regions. That is where the fighters are coming from. Unless they are crushed there, 2 years is nothing to them ... we might as well run up the white flag right now.
So, I'm for a surge that widens the conflict with overpowering force, otherwise, let's come home and I don't have to watch my son head into a looser. We have no stake for "hearts and minds" in Pakistan's border region.
As for Harper, his statement was a filthy ploy to get Afghanistan off the table for this election ... nothing else. In one move, he gave the Taliban more hope and encouragment than a herd of virgins. They can now adjust strategy in the Kandahar region accordingly. They now know the game plan for Canada. Some things are best left unsaid in public ... those words should've gone to our allies ... in private. As such, they were an election ploy. What military, ever in the history of warfare, put an enddate to the game ... and won?
And finally, let's get out of NATO. We have been let down by most NATO countries. Canucks are paying a huge price partially because of European cowardice. They are not our friends in any way shape or form (other than a few). They used us for decades during the cold war ... but can't even get involved in a fight. From Bosnia to Rwanda to Afghanistan our "friends" have proven to be utterly useless.
If you took a poll of the leaders of the political parties what do you think the answer would be on the Afstan file?
Harper has laid out his answer.
Dion - do you think it's easy making priorities? ( we don't know what he would say as he is for it, against it, for it, against it)
The three socialist:
Layton - pull them now
Ducepette - pull them now
May - pull them now
At least they are consistent.
Now does Harper's answer look all that bad compared to the answers we would get from the other leaders?
Yeah, Harper's answer still looks bad.
If Canada's national interests are best served by having a stable Afghanistan able to stand on its own two feet and not degenerate into a safe haven for terrorists as it did previously, then an arbitrary pull-out date is counterproductive. You should be basing your withdrawal on performance measures, not on a calendar.
If, on the other hand, Canada simply wants to be seen to be "doing its part" even though Afghanistan really isn't important to us, only then does the end-date make any sense. But if that's the case, both Martin and Harper have some explaining to do to the hundreds of families of those Canadian soldiers, aid workers, and diplomats killed and wounded over there these past number of years. Because "show" isn't a good enough reason to put lives on the line like we have.
This smells like domestic politics to me, and I don't like it.
Paul is right.
It's politics - first, last and always with these people.
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